Undoubtedly, the Wiccan demiurge is very strong (high magic, rewriting of reality on high level and etc.). Loki's hand is revealed, and Billy is locked in battle with Mother. Probably Raven if she is anything like what people pretend Demiurge Wiccan is. Shards: The Shards are the fragments of Primordial beings and are slightly stronger than any Demiurge. You can continue to delude yourself Wiccan is universal let alone multiversal. (Kick Duck Dancing) 16:52 GG - Petrivka 19:49 Daniel Christian ft. Kolly Dee - Slava Ukraine 23:19 Andrew StetS feat. At the end of the series, the Young Avengers decide to retire, and Wiccan decides to give up his life as a superhero. Carries Hulkling. "[47], Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. Wiccan last edited by 2). William Kaplan (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom This link to Judeo-Christian tradition leads to a further comparison with Satan. Creates a solid energy construct to allow other people to travel on a platform, He can give other people the power of flight. WICCAN | Mighty Avengers Wiccan was created by Allan Heinberg and Jim Cheung. You will notice in the following scans that it takes him around 2-3 chants for the spell to fully activate. Since that night, Billy's father never did. For he said, 'I am God and there is no other God beside me,' for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come. The Young Avengers managed to escape to Billy's household. Sometime later, Billy is targeted by the Vridai, a race of shapeshifters expelled from their home during War of the Realms. However, at this point in time, Wiccan doesn't have sufficient control over his powers to fully utilize the Demiurge's powers. You then who are spiritual should worship neither the creation nor the Craftsman, but the Father of Truth. Prodigy contacts the younger members of the X-Men at the Jean Grey School, and word gets around quickly. Kate had new costumes designed for the team, who now operated out of an old abandoned warehouse owned by her family. What's more likely is that you are in deniable. Knocks out multiple people simultaneously, Manipulates water to to knock away a Skrull. However, strange things begin to occur with the children, who rapidly age from infancy to school age through unknown means. ToyBiz produced a figure of Wiccan for the Marvel Legends line as part of an exclusive Young Avengers box set. Fact is Demiurge Wiccan is actually barely universal, as we have seen him when controlled by a villain need like twenty years to destroy a single universe clearly not affecting anything across time or the like in the process. It has been demonstrated that without the ability to hear his own words, the spell cannot be cast, though other uses of his powers have been done seemingly effortlessly and without words. The team travels to Europe to find her, but instead find a doombot posing as her. I get how powerful wiccan is i really do but LMAO WHAT THE HELL IS HOMEBOI DOING TO THE UNKINDNESS, @yungbaby: Shes the ultimate villain of the DC multiverse, it happened during the future state event. In a fight with Doctor Doom, both Cassie and Vision are killed. Hence Demiurge never played any part in it's creation. In refuting the beliefs of the gnostics, Irenaeus stated that "Plato is proved to be more religious than these men, for he allowed that the same God was both just and good, having power over all things, and himself executing judgment. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll The word demiurge is an English word derived from demiurgus, a Latinised form of the Greek or dmiurgs. Wiccan appears in 645 issues. So youre attempts to try and debunk his multiversal status arent gonna work. People need to get over the fact that they potrayed it as him standing on the comic panels. They are rescued by Noh-Varr and Kate Bishop, and the team flees to Central Park in order to avoid bringing too many people into the spell. However, the act only attracted unwanted press. The user is able to perform/cast a rare variety of magic spells and feats that manipulates reality itself to various degrees. However the utopian parallel was still created by the demiurge. It's also not in English like normal. Wiccan would spend much of his time bouncing from team to team. Billy met Iron Lad at the Avengers Mansion while seeking Scarlet Witch. Issues 1 ,2,3 completely null youre incredibly wrong and incorrect statement. 9). Billy Kaplan is a Young Avenger and later found out that he and Speed are the Scarlet Witch's formerly dead twin sons. With the combined focus of Magneto and Speed, he was able to locate the Scarlet Witch, who was presumably dead. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/6Y934v-iG3NRpVANkwhqbJlExL9r9BuVDNqdz2XRNSEnmIMffLzVNOolz-NaFFXB9FKrzqUThvKZK_DX_eR5-74KBCLwCD8WVZWNPL3NGgba1NKocwdrWzk-kHtsYnxisKM_Zkg06Q=s1600. At full maturity, a Demiurge is stronger than any Nephalem, including one sired by an Arch-angel/demon and can use their unique powers to kill them with ease except not when one is using its true potential. Meaning as he stands now his best feat is destroying a universe in 20 years despite being bloodlusted. Wiccan | Character Level Wiki | Fandom Mother is defeated, and all theteen heroes gather at MJ's Club to celebrate the new year. Recognizing the Runaways under attack by registration agents on a monitoring screen, the Young Avengers set out to assist them and convince them to join the anti-registration side. Flabbergasted, he then admitted that she was his favorite Avenger. The Demiurge will rewrite the rules of magic and all the implications of that decision will echo forward and backward across all realities. His spellcasting is unique, however. William "Billy" Kaplan, Wiccan. It is in the system of Valentinus that the name Dmiurgos is used, which occurs nowhere in Irenaeus except in connection with the Valentinian system; we may reasonably conclude that it was Valentinus who adopted from Platonism the use of this word. During this time, the Super-Skrull stated his belief that Billy and Tommy's similarities in appearance and powers indicated that they were the twin sons of the Scarlet Witch and the Vision. It's not fair. Dude The Unkindness negs I can break this down if you want, and I talked too both authors . Billy Kaplan on Tumblr The Monad emanated the demiurge or Nous (consciousness) from its "indeterminate" vitality due to the monad being so abundant that it overflowed back onto itself, causing self-reflection. Wiccan and Hulkling from this reality, also known as Earth A, came to Earth-616 as tourists, and for some reason they registered in the Initiative. [28], In creating this world out of Chaos the Demiurge was unconsciously influenced for good; and the universe, to the surprise even of its Maker, became almost perfect. So what he can one day maybe make a universe in how much time and at what cost? He is first mentioned in "The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld" as one of the twelve angels to come "into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]". During the AXIS event, following the Inversion of several heroes and villains on the island of Genosha, the Red Skull was held captive in the Avengers Tower. Kat Farrell of the Daily Bugle was at the scene, dubbing them the "Young Avengers" and after reporting to J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle he decided to put Jessica Jones on the assignment of finding out who they were. Christ, in reality, is the Son of the Good God. That retcon your speaking of had nothing to do with the utopian parallel but about how the GROUP OF SUPERPOWERED WOMEN (not the place itself) it came to be, I.e instead of Americas people being made by the demiurge they were recton to instead be asylum seekers after theyre own home (Planeta Fuertona) was destroyed by La Lgion. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. In one of the many dark possible futures shown to Immortus by The Time Keepers; William and Thomas had become tyrannical God-like superhumans who were seen launching a devastating assault on Eternity in an attempt to overthrow him. The bad guy possessing Wiccan needed around TWENTY YEARS to destroy ONE universe at which point he was stated to be at full power and it did not go through time or affect another universe, as the storyline had people go back in time to prevent it and it worked. [32][33], "Samael" literally means "Blind God" or "God of the Blind" in Hebrew (.mw-parser-output .script-hebrew,.mw-parser-output .script-Hebr{font-family:"SBL Hebrew","SBL BibLit","Taamey Ashkenaz","Taamey Frank CLM","Frank Ruehl CLM","Ezra SIL","Ezra SIL SR","Keter Aram Tsova","Taamey David CLM","Keter YG","Shofar","David CLM","Hadasim CLM","Simple CLM","Nachlieli",Cardo,Alef,"Noto Serif Hebrew","Noto Sans Hebrew","David Libre",David,"Times New Roman",Gisha,Arial,FreeSerif,FreeSans}). He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. The Wiccan and Hulkling of Earth-616 didn't approve of this, and later Wiccan and Hulkling from Earth-721 was sent home. Teddy assisted Billy by posing as him while he and Speed went on a search for the Scarlet Witch to learn more about their past. The Cathars held that the creator of the world, Satanael, had usurped the name of God, but that he had subsequently been unmasked and told that he was not really God."[48]. 14). William Kaplan | Comic Superpowers Wiki | Fandom Billy's issues escalated as he grew older and entered high school where his differences became the source of endless torment and violence. He comes from heaven, and it is said his "face flashed with fire and [his] appearance was defiled with blood". The Valentinian theory elaborates that from Achamoth (he kt sopha or lower wisdom) three kinds of substance take their origin, the spiritual (pneumatiko), the animal (psychiko) and the material (hyliko). Stature later defected to the pro-registration side, stating that she did not want to go to prison like Wiccan had. Respect William "Billy" Kaplan, aka Wiccan. Timaeus describes the Demiurge as unreservedly benevolent, and so it desires a world as good as possible. Billy joins him at his side, and they play a part in stopping a Cotati invasion of Earth. Wiccan can rewrite the rules of magic across all realities. Sylvie was later kicked out. Unkindness has fewer feats and it took her a whole longer to destroy the multiverse. They were interrupted by a troupe of Kree soldiers who revealed Hulkling to be half-Kree as well and the son of their greatest warrior, Captain Marvel. Until 1974 etymologies deriving from the unattested Aramaic: , romanized: bhth supposedly meaning 'chaos' represented the majority view. The box set would prove to be one of the last Marvel Legends products produced by ToyBiz before the Marvel license transferred to Hasbro. That arc was about him being possessed by octopus-cthulu, who basically broke . A. H. Armstrong identified the so-called "Gnostics" that Plotinus was attacking as Jewish and Pagan, in his introduction to the tract in his translation of the Enneads. When he does, multiple fights break out between the various groups trying to capture the Scarlet Witch. These are either hyliko or pneumatiko. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world. Wiccan and Hulkling are thrown into a prison outside their dimension, but are rescued by Loki. When Norman Osborn invaded Asgard with his army of superpowered beings and H.A.M.M.E.R. Here he uses an offensive spell but he doesn't repeat the spell. During her marriage to the Vision, the Scarlet Witch used her reality-altering powers to create twin boys Willaim and . A massive spell cast by Billy brought in evil clones of the Young Avengers that distracted Mother and allowed their remaining teammates and the rest of the team to escape again, but Mother added the clones to her army.Wiccan quit the Young Avengers after that, convinced, through a manipulative suggestion of Loki's, that Wiccan and Hulkling were The second principle is organization in its reflection of the nonsentient force or dynamis, also called the one or the Monad. Level 2: While Wiccan has Mystical Destiny, he will transform into the Demiurge if you have at least 8 AP in all colors. Unhappy about this, Billy uses a location spell to find the team, and the real Young Avengers confront the false ones. Plotinus criticizes his opponents for "all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own" which, he declares, "have been picked up outside of the truth";[50] they attempt to conceal rather than admit their indebtedness to ancient philosophy, which they have corrupted by their extraneous and misguided embellishments. Defends against Lucy in the Sky, a strong energy projector, His shield protected him from a giant Skrull with the powers of Giant Man enough so he doesn't die, His most recent self can tank the likes of the Wrecker with his crowbar. The two sides clashed until the battle was ended by Captain America's realization that their position was being fought in a manner that only endangered more citizens. He is a reality warper, according to Loki. I made The respect threads , and I'm telling you the unkindness is a problem. All realities mean omniverse. Comic Vine users. Billy used his magical abilities to send Sentry away, taking Osborn's most valuable team member off the board. How is it likely that shes not lying when the demiurge is still a thing everywhere else? He apparently could not save it from breaking apart without some ladies croaking so how powerful does that make him? Back at the Avengers Mansion, Billy was eager to begin Sylvie's training, but she seemed more interested in getting closer to Billy, whom she appeared to be attracted to, causing Billy a degree of discomfort. They insanely overrated wiccan. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/raven-the-unkindness-respect-thread-2156619/, There's more too by the way I have not 100% updates that thread, Demiurge Wiccan is above time and reality, and the multiverse. Unable to control them, he electrocuted Kessler, nearly killing him. Magic/Reality-Warping: Billy's main power is the superhuman ability to manipulate reality at will, enabling him to tap into the universe's store of magical energies, which he inherited from his spiritual mother the Scarlet Witch. It was other people that had a problem with him. Billy of the Young Avengers, son of the Scarlet Witch and brother to Speed and that's pretty cool, also I'm gay. The figure of the Demiurge emerges in the theoretic of Iamblichus, which conjoins the transcendent, incommunicable One, or Source. After discovering that Hulkling had been going out as a superhero without his knowledge, he and Wiccan fight over the choice to become superheroes again. But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no real knowledge. All those statements are never verified when they were not outright contradicted or retconned. After they teleported, there was also a huge lightning bolt that staggered the Avengers. He has received some form of training from Loki during his time in the Young Avengers. Depending on the system, they may be considered either uncreated and eternal or the product of some other entity. . Am not jumping the gun, am presenting the evidence as is. So destroying a universe is his best actual feat not his worst. Wiccan's primary team is the Young Avengers, so any given volume of Young Avengers will feature him heavily. The character has been depicted as a member of the Young Avengers, a team of teenage superheroes, as well as the Champions. This_Confused_Guy 1 yr. ago Both Jarvis and the Hulk tried to sway them from taking such measures, but they refused, and unwittingly unleashed Kluh - the Hulk's Hulk. He has to say the action he wants to happen in order for the spell to be cast. The Young Avengers are seen fighting a terrorist group called the Sons if the Serpent. During this time, Billy attempted to tell his parents that he was a superhero, only to accidentally come out to them. The battle was negotiated when the Super-Skrull disguised himself as Hulkling and agreed to spend time with each empire before deciding which to join. Transforms himself into the Scarlet Witch, Conjures up clothes in order to look like a prison guard, Gives Kid Loki a teenage body, making Loki even stronger, Undoes the Enchantress' transformation spell. Wiccan (Character) - Comic Vine All you do is scream the same thing over and over contradicting yourself. Soncesvit - Bulawa (Aerofoil Remix) 25:59 The Faino - Arkan Soon after, Billy married his longtime boyfriend, Hulking, however, their new life is briefly interrupted when Hulking takes his rightful place as the king of a Kree and Skrull alliance. 07:17 Serge Udalin - Witch. The demiurge is also[29] described as having a fiery nature, applying the words of Moses to him: "the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire". He seems to also ignore chanting spells when he's angry or extremely emotional. In Young Avengers vol. The Latin translation, confirmed by Hippolytus of Rome,[24] makes Irenaeus state that according to Cerinthus (who shows Ebionite influence), creation was made by a power quite separate from the Supreme God and ignorant of him. Isn't Raven a magic user? Soon, almost all the young heroes of Earth-616 are assembled to battle Mother's army. 2, it is revealed by Loki that Wiccan is destined to ascend to a god-like reality warper who will rewrite the rules of magic known as the Demiurge. The Demiurge belongs to the second kind, as he was the offspring of a union of Achamoth with matter. Wiccan In Comics Powers, Enemies, History | Marvel @demiurgekaplan: multiversal demi urge has been debunked, https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/demiurge-wiccan-vs-hom-wanda-vs-white-phoenix-jean-2159484/. Lol @ universal demiurge wiccan. 257, 382). As a Kree, Hulkling was to be enlisted in the Kree army, by force if necessary. Billy and Teddy had been helping out when they came across an Asgardian temple being desecrated and pillaged by the Wrecking Crew. Last edited on 26 February 2023, at 15:49, introducing citations to additional sources, Learn how and when to remove this template message, Against the Gnostics; or, Against Those that Affirm the Creator of the Cosmos and the Cosmos Itself to be Evil, International Society for Neoplatonic Studies, Dark Mirrors of Heaven: Gnostic Cosmogony, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Demiurge&oldid=1141744969, This page was last edited on 26 February 2023, at 15:49. Wiccan appears as a playable character in Marvel Future Fight. Demiurge - Wikipedia It's unclear whether or not he uses magic here. Not to mention the fact that he as the demiurge was drawn by America in said Made in a USA comic run before Catalina showed up. Here he uses an offensive spell but he doesn't repeat the spell. Another alternative title for the demiurge is "Saklas", Aramaic for "fool". (ch. The dyad is energeia emanated by the one that is then the work, process or activity called nous, Demiurge, mind, consciousness that organizes the indeterminate vitality into the experience called the material world, universe, cosmos. The ordering principle is twofold; there is a principle known as the Demiurge, and there is the Soul of the All; the appellation "Zeus" is sometimes applied to the Demiurge and sometimes to the principle conducting the universe. Later, Billy and Teddy joined the rest of their team, and helped the Avengers save what was left of Asgard. 13). However, Master Pandemonium stated that their past was steeped in chaos and tragedy and convinced them that rather than search for who they were in the past, they should embrace who they are now. and apparently if he can't hear himself chanting the spell, it won't cast. I want to know about that, Who would win between this wiccan and Mr Mxyzptlk cause raven is more powerful than him and Perpetua. In the various branches of the Neoplatonic school (third century onwards), the demiurge is the fashioner of the real, perceptible world after the model of the Ideas, but (in most Neoplatonic systems) is still not itself "the One". The Gnostics adopted the term demiurge. One night, Billy was angry at his father for no good reason, and yelled at him, telling him never to read to him again. It is eventually revealed by Agatha Harkness that Billy and Tommy were subconsciously created by Wanda through the use of Chaos Magic, and cannot exist outside of Westview. But until proven otherwise he isn't. Wiccan was featured in the HeroClix figure game. Billy and his boyfriend Teddy were among those gathered at the meeting. The philosophical usage and the proper noun derive from Plato's Timaeus, written c.360 BC, where the demiurge is presented as the creator of the universe. His brother Tommy, who was a trained sorcerer, assisted the Avengers and the two fought each other until their father the Vision intercepted and destroyed Ultron, ending the battle. Later on, he started using magic and could perform all kinds of spells. These six, in turn, create another twelve angels "with each one receiving a portion in the heavens". The two work out their problems, and their love is able to save the universe. T. The only other thing he ever did was wipe out a dimensional parasite, that is at best as powerful as any other entity ruling their own dimension like Mephisto or the like, but likely considerable weaker. Lol @ "universal" demiurge wiccan. Loki tells them that they need his help in order to destroy the parasite, and they agree. Tanks eye beams from Sentry, and comes out unscathed. Wiccan is destined to become the cosmic entity Demiurge though, so I'd say he has "more potentional" but is still very much in-training. He has spent time on numerous super hero teams, including the Young Avengers and the New Avengers. He and Teddy continue to be in a relationship. 78). At the close of the series, Billy and Tommy are seemingly cease to exist after Wanda undoes her spell and frees Westview from her control, but the post-credits scene has Wanda hearing the boys calling to her, implying they somehow survived. [34], The angelic name "Ariel" (Hebrew: 'the lion of God')[35] has also been used to refer to the Demiurge and is called his "perfect" name;[36] in some Gnostic lore, Ariel has been called an ancient or original name for Ialdabaoth. It was in this moment that Osborn called in the big gun. Respect Wiccan (Marvel, 616) : r/respectthreads - reddit This type of spellcasting has its flaws obviously. It's literally all from the same run. He joined Ultron in attacking the Avengers. Also America: Made in the USA(2021). 1012). In the Apocryphon of John c.AD 120180, the demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself: Now the archon ["ruler"] who is weak has three names. 1). The utopian parallel was said to be created by and I quote the very breath of demiurge stated by America herself multiple times. In this future, he is the Sorcerer Supreme. While patterning himself after Thor in the guise of Asgardian, Billy limited himself entirely to flight and lightning based spells. [44] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is also the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. she absorbed the realms of nightmare and dream . When it is employed by other Gnostics either it is not used in a technical sense, or its use has been borrowed from Valentinus. So don't act like I'm the one lacking information here. Billy experiments with some names, adopting the name Demiurge, but later reverts back to Wiccan. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in an unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. Plotinus' form of Platonic idealism is to treat the Demiurge, nous, as the contemplative faculty (ergon) within man which orders the force (dynamis) into conscious reality. In the Archontic, Sethian, and Ophite systems, which have many affinities with the doctrine of Valentinus, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but still more prominent is their chief, "Yaldabaoth" (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth"). Billy Kaplan (@Wiccan_Demiurge) | Twitter They go to the Uncanny Avengers for help, but they too fall under the influence of the parasite. @stahlflamme: How's he barely universal? The Super-Skrull killed Hulkling's foster mother and captured Hulkling to his ship to take him back to the Skrull Empire. At first, it was presumed that Billy was just an electrokinetic mutant with strong sorcery abilities. The majority of scholars tend[51] to understand Plotinus' opponents as being a Gnostic sectcertainly (specifically Sethian), several such groups were present in Alexandria and elsewhere about the Mediterranean during Plotinus' lifetime.